The 2nd Great Grandparents of Susie Alice Arrington and G.R. Gilbert

The 2nd Great Grandparents of Susie Alice Arrington and G.R. Gilbert This page documents the 2nd Great Grandparents (2GGPs) of Susie Alice Arrington (1894-1985) and General Rufus Gilbert (1889-1953).

08/24/2022

๐๐จ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐“๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ž๐ซโ€™๐ฌ ๐’๐ญ๐จ๐ซ๐ฒ

๐๐š๐ซ๐ญ ๐Ÿ. ๐–๐ก๐จ ๐ฐ๐š๐ฌ ๐๐จ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐“๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ž๐ซ?

This top post and the following 11 comments comprise the second part of Polly Tillerโ€™s story, the first part having covered her father, William Tiller, and his Revolutionary War pension application.

If the Gilbert clan has a matriarch, it was Polly. She was the mother of James, from whom descended Humberson, then Simeon, and finally General Rufus Gilbert and his five children.

Pollyโ€™s life was shortโ€”she died at 42 or 43โ€”and it was full of difficulties and challenges which might have felled a lesser person much sooner. She was tough and resilient, and had to be to survive as a single mother in Virginiaโ€™s backcountry as she did for much of her life.

Polly also took a secret with her to her grave: Who was Jamesโ€™ biological father? Was it Joseph Gilbert? Or was he only Jamesโ€™ step-father?

In the end, the answer doesnโ€™t matter much. James and his descendants got Pollyโ€™s genes, and in this story, itโ€™s her genes that count.

08/08/2022

๐๐จ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐“๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ž๐ซโ€™๐ฌ ๐’๐ญ๐จ๐ซ๐ฒ

๐๐š๐ซ๐ญ ๐Ÿ. ๐–๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ข๐š๐ฆ ๐“๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ž๐ซโ€™๐ฌ ๐ฉ๐ž๐ง๐ฌ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐š๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ข๐œ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง

There is a mystery surrounding Polly Tiller, GRโ€™s 2nd great-grandmother. Who was the father of her first- born, James Anderson Tiller, GRโ€™s first great-grandfather?

Polly gave birth to James in 1818. She did not give birth again until 1831, 13 years later, at which point she had four children in rapid succession. She married Joseph Gilbert in 1835 or 36, before she gave birth to her last child. She died in 1843. James and Pollyโ€™s next 3 childrenโ€”all born before her marriage to Josephโ€”bore the Tiller name until sometime between the censuses of 1850 and 1860. At that time, James and the other 3 Tiller children all changed their name to Gilbert. Itโ€™s not hard to imagine that Joseph Gilbert was actually the father of the three other Tiller children. But what about Jamesโ€™s father? Was Joseph really his father, too?

There is evidence that goes both ways.

We will leave that question on the side for a bit and start the story with William Tiller, Pollyโ€™s father.

We know a lot about William Tiller from his Revolutionary War pension application, and what we know about him sheds light on Polly and the question of who Jamesโ€™s father was.

๐–๐ก๐ฒ ๐“๐ก๐ž๐ฒ ๐Œ๐š๐ซ๐ซ๐ข๐ž๐ ๐–๐ก๐จ ๐“๐ก๐ž๐ฒ ๐Œ๐š๐ซ๐ซ๐ข๐ž๐Why did the people of backcountry Virginia marry who they married in the 1700s and 1800...
08/02/2022

๐–๐ก๐ฒ ๐“๐ก๐ž๐ฒ ๐Œ๐š๐ซ๐ซ๐ข๐ž๐ ๐–๐ก๐จ ๐“๐ก๐ž๐ฒ ๐Œ๐š๐ซ๐ซ๐ข๐ž๐

Why did the people of backcountry Virginia marry who they married in the 1700s and 1800s? A big part of the answer is prosaicโ€”proximity. They married their neighbors.

This can be shown for the Gilbert family by federal censuses for Russell County from 1850 onwards.

Before 1850, federal census takers would note the name and occupation of the head of a household on a line of their census forms, and then, on the same line, enumerate the number of members of the household falling into mutually exclusive categories defined by free and slave status, s*x, and age range, and then finally totaling up the number of persons in the household. Sometimes the data were aggregated alphabetically so that any sense of how the households related to one another on the ground was lost.

But beginning in 1850, the census takers enumerated households by house number and family number in the order in which they were visited and then included the name, gender, race, age, and place of birth for each member of a household.

Below, is a screen shot of page 40 of the federal census of Russell County for 1850. On line 18 of page 40, there is an entry for house and family #258. James Tiller, then age 32, is shown as head of that household, the other members being his wife, Jane Wallis, then 24, and the four children they then had, being Humberson, 8, Leah, 6, Clemen, 4, and Lola, 2.

House and family #259, immediately after James Tillerโ€™s family, is headed by William Tiller, then age 22, and his wife, Polly, also aged 22, and their children, Andrew, Edmond, Elizabeth, and Silas.

The house and family next enumerated is #260, headed by Joseph Gilbert. Joseph Gilbert was James Tillerโ€™s step-father, if not also William Tillerโ€™s step-father, through Joseph's marriage to their mother, Polly TIller, in 1836, long after Jamesโ€™ birth in 1818 and even after Williamโ€™s birth in 1833. Polly had passed away in 1843 at the age of 53. Joseph had then married Tabitha (Compton) in 1844. In 1850, Josephโ€™s household included Tabitha, the four youngest Tiller childrenโ€”Rachel, Samuel, John, and Josephโ€”and a natural child of Joseph and Tabitha, Lavonia, who was then 4.

Tabithaโ€™s Compton kin also lived nearby. Page 48 of the census shows that her brother Peyton Compton lived in house #311, and page 237 shows that her parents, David and Polly Compton, lived in house #1616.

Immediately preceding James Tillerโ€™s house on page 40 of the census is house and family #257, which was headed by John Wallis and his wife, Lucy. These were the parents of Jamesโ€™ wife, Jane Wallis. Itโ€™s not much of a stretch to suppose that John Wallisโ€™s family and Joseph Gilbertโ€™s blended family had been neighbors for years, and that James Tiller and Jane Wallis, though there were 8 years between them, either might have kindled a mutual interest in each other as they grew up or had simply been expected to do so, and, eventually, to marry. In any event, they had married in 1842, when Jane was 16 and James Tiller was 24.

In sum, on page 40 of the census, there is a knot of four adjacent houses and families, who were immediate neighbors and who were linked by marriage and kinship. Tabithaโ€™s Compton kin, though not immediate neighbors, lived in proximity to Joseph Gilbert, the Tiller boys, and the Wallises and were also linked by blood and marriage to those families.

And thatโ€™s not the end of it. By the census of 1860, the story of genealogical connections between the Gilberts and their neighbors had taken a further turn.

In 1850, James Rasnake had been single and living with his parents in house #190 in Russell County, probably within a few miles of James Tillerโ€™s house. You can see this in the enumeration of the Rasnake household on page 29 of the 1850 census. Born in 1820, James Rasnake was a peer of James Tiller, born in 1818, and, doubtless, the two young men were well known to each other.

In 1852, James Rasnake, who was then 32, had married Ellen Davis, who was then 17. We donโ€™t know where Ellen had come from. She doesnโ€™t appear to have been a product of Russell County.

Meanwhile, Jane Wallis had borne James Tiller two more childrenโ€”Silas, in 1851, and James, in 1854.

Death, however, visited both the Rasnake and Tiller households before the next census.

Sadly, Jane passed away at the age of 29 in 1855, and James Rasnake died in early 1856, not having yet attained the age of 36.

Janeโ€™s death left James Tiller without a mother for his six children, and James Rasnakeโ€™s death left Ellen Davis in a position that was awkward at best. She didnโ€™t have kin of her own to rely upon in Russell County, and she hadnโ€™t yet borne any children, which might have given her in-laws reason to make a continuing investment in her life. In consequence, on James Rasnakeโ€™s passing, Ellen was effectively left without support or a home.

But not for long. News of James Rasnakeโ€™s recent marriage and now of his death, could not have escaped James Tiller. We donโ€™t know the reasoning that transpired in the Rasnake and Tiller households immediately after James Rasnake's death, but we can see the result of it. For on April 6, 1856, within months, if no more than weeks or even days, of his death, Ellen Davis, then 21, married James Tiller, now 38, and became step-mother to Jamesโ€™ six children with Jane Wallis, who were then about 14, 12, 10, 8, 5, and 2 years old. In truth, Ellen probably had little choice. She would go on to bear James three children of her own.

As the above facts about the 1850 census show, when GRโ€™s and Susieโ€™s ancestors landed in the Virginia backcountry in the 1700s, they generally stayed in the area in which they had established their farmsteads and looked to families within walking distance for mates, and thereby creating greater and greater genealogical connection as the generations went by.

These facts also show that backcountry life was often far from the best of all possible worlds for women. It doesnโ€™t take much of a feminist to feel great empathy for women who often died young, as did Jane Wallis, frequently in child birth, or who, like Ellen Davis, faced dilemmas early on in their lives for which there were no solutions that werenโ€™t grim.

Yet it would not be true to say that marriages made in the backcountry were without love or passionโ€”at least, that wouldnโ€™t be true in the case of GR and Susie.

๐†๐‘'๐ฌ ๐Ÿ๐ง๐ ๐†๐ซ๐ž๐š๐ญ-๐†๐ซ๐š๐ง๐๐ฉ๐š๐ซ๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ฌLet's start with a diagram of GR's 2nd Great-Grandparents.  Dates of birth and death haven't ...
07/31/2022

๐†๐‘'๐ฌ ๐Ÿ๐ง๐ ๐†๐ซ๐ž๐š๐ญ-๐†๐ซ๐š๐ง๐๐ฉ๐š๐ซ๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ฌ

Let's start with a diagram of GR's 2nd Great-Grandparents. Dates of birth and death haven't been included to avoid cluttering the diagram. The diagram generally spans the mid to later 1700s (which is when GR's 2GGPs were born) through the late 1800s, which is when both GR and Susie were born, to the mid and late 1900s, when they passed.

Since GR was the son of first cousins, Simeon Gilbert and Margaret Duty, who were the children of Mary (Duty) Gilbert and Isaiah Duty, brother and sister, GR had only three sets of great-grandparents and, consequently, six sets of great great-grandparents, for a total of 12 2GGPs.

I canโ€™t vouch for the accuracy of all the relationships identified by the diagram. The more remote the ancestor, the fewer and less clear the evidentiary support for relationships. Some of the 2GGPs were identified only through the pages of other users of ancestry.com, which amounts to not much more than the blind leading the blind. If you have corrections or suggestions, please feel free to make them.

A line with an arrow at the end means โ€œchild ofโ€; the equal sign indicates marriage; a horizontal line indicates a sibling relationship. Thus, a line descending from an equal sign and pointing at a person means that that person is the child of that married couple.

You'll note that the line pointing at James A. Tiller Gilbert descends only from Polly Tiller and not from the equal sign between Polly and Joseph Gilbert. That is because there is substantial doubt as to whether Joseph was the father of James and not just his step-father.

๐—ช๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ๐˜† ๐—น๐—ถ๐˜ƒ๐—ฒ๐—ฑ ๐—ฎ๐—ป๐—ฑ ๐—ต๐—ผ๐˜„ ๐—ฎ๐—ป๐—ฑ ๐˜„๐—ต๐˜† ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ๐˜† ๐—น๐—ถ๐˜ƒ๐—ฒ๐—ฑ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—ฟ๐—ฒIt was no accident that the families of Susieโ€™s and GRโ€™s second great g...
07/26/2022

๐—ช๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ๐˜† ๐—น๐—ถ๐˜ƒ๐—ฒ๐—ฑ ๐—ฎ๐—ป๐—ฑ ๐—ต๐—ผ๐˜„ ๐—ฎ๐—ป๐—ฑ ๐˜„๐—ต๐˜† ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ๐˜† ๐—น๐—ถ๐˜ƒ๐—ฒ๐—ฑ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ

It was no accident that the families of Susieโ€™s and GRโ€™s second great grandparents settled in and around Russell County in the backcountry of Virginia. There were strong economic and political incentives for them to do so.

Virginia consists of three distinct ecological zones, running generally from the north northeast to the south southwest. These are the coastal or tidewater plain, which is flat; the piedmont region, which consists of flat land rising gradually to the mountains of western Virginia; and the hilly terrain of western Virginia, dominated by the Appalachian and Blue Ridge Mountains and once called the โ€œbackcountry.โ€

07/24/2022

๐๐ข๐ง๐ง๐ž๐ ๐ˆ๐ง๐ญ๐ซ๐จ๐๐ฎ๐œ๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง

This page gives an account of the second great grandparents of Susie Alice Arrington (1894-1985) and General Rufus ("GR") Gilbert (1889-1953). The intention is not to trace the descent of Susie and GR from their second great grandparents, ancestor by ancestor, but to identify who those individuals were and to provide as much detail as possible on how they lived in the early 1800s in and around Russell County, in the far southwestern part of Virginia. This page is mainly intended for the use and benefit of the descendants of the five children of Susie and GR--Bernard, Opal, June, Elizabeth, and Harold--but is public, including, in particular, for any collateral Gilbert or Arrington kin.

Abbreviations will sometimes be used. Thus, GP means grandparent, 1GGP, first great-grandparent, and 2GGP, second great-grandparent. GGF means great-grandfather and GGM means great-grandmother.

Susie and GRโ€™s should have 16 pairs of 2GGPs each, but as David Gilbert has pointed out, GR's parents, Simeon Gilbert and Margaret Duty, were first cousins. Consequently, GR has only 12 great great-grandparents.

To help visualize and identify the 16 GGPs of Susie and the 12 of GR, we will organize them in terms of a male Gilbert line and a male Arrington line with lines of descent leading to the wives of the male Gilberts and male Arringtons.

The male Gilbert line runs up from GR through Simeon, Humberson, and James Gilbert to Polly Tiller and Joseph Gilbert, the first set of GR's 2GGPs. The male Arrington line runs up from Susie through James, John F., and Lewis Arrington to John Arrington and Susanna Bolling, the first set of Susie's 2GGPs. All of GRโ€™s and Susie's remaining 2GGPs can be traced from the wives of the Gilbert and Arrington men.

To present information on the 2GGPs of Susie and GR within Facebookโ€™s format, our intention is to make a separate post for each pair of 2GGPs and to organize the information about each such pair in the form of comments on or replies to the post. To see all of the comments and replies, you will need to select โ€œAll Commenrsโ€ in place of the default, โ€œMost Relevant.โ€ The comments are numbered but may have gotten out of order in the process of copying them to FB.

There will sometimes be posts on ancestors earlier than the 2GGP generation, on individual 2GGPs, and also posts of a more general nature.

The right to make posts is limited to the admin for this page, but anyone may make comments and replies. If you wish to make an original post, please contact me, and we will arrange it.

Why focus on the 2GGP generation? Genealogical information is weaker as one goes back in time, and the number of individuals and families involved expands exponentially. The 2GGP generation of Susie and GR also takes us back to a time that was formative in American historyโ€”between the Revolutionary War and the Civil Warโ€”and which entails issues that have yet to be resolved. Susieโ€™s and GRโ€™s ancestors were also all living in generally the same few counties of southwestern Virginia.

There will be gaps in the information because it hasnโ€™t been possible to identify all of the 2GGPs or find relevant information on them.

I am also not sure that I will be able to complete the account. I shall try to do so, but I am old, and this is an ambitious project.

After this pinned post, you will encounter the most recent post first--in other words, if you are scrolling down, post-by-post, you will encounter the posts in reverse chronological order. I can't help that--it's just the way facebook works. If you want to start at the beginning, you'll have to scroll all the way to the bottom and work up.

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