10/19/2025
💫 Thank you to my client who sent this to me! 💫
I listened to this podcast on my drive home from Springfield today — and wow… if you live with chronic pain, this is an absolute must-listen!
In this episode of Mel Robbins Show, Dr. Sanjay Gupta — world-renowned neurosurgeon and author of It Doesn’t Have to Hurt: Your Smart Guide to a Pain-Free Life — shares how chronic pain is real, but also deeply connected to the brain, the nervous system, and how safe we feel inside ourselves.
He talks about how movement, meditation, and the body’s own natural chemistry can help us heal in ways that painkillers simply can’t. I found myself in tears hearing his heart for the women in his family, his compassion for his patients, and his ability to speak truth without minimizing anyone’s experience.
Even though my work is rooted in the ancient healing arts, I felt like a colleague listening to him. At the heart of both of our approaches is helping people with chronic pain and complex trauma — two experiences that are so often intertwined.
At the root of both is the loss of felt safety.
We can call it trauma, stress, burnout, or illness — but when we strip away the labels and the ego, it really comes down to two words: felt safety.
It’s not the trauma itself that wounds us most — it’s not having a grounded, attuned nervous system to help us process and regulate afterward. When that’s missing, the body can get stuck in survival mode — fight, flight, or freeze.
The work I do provides primal sensory input to the body and nervous system — helping it remember what safety actually feels like. Not by talking about it or analyzing it, but by offering a real, embodied experience of it. Through massage, breathwork, and sound therapy, the body begins to reawaken — creating resonance and coherence.
(And honestly, if you want to know how the pyramids were built… probably through our combined resonance and coherence. But that’s a whol other conversation)
Dr. Gupta also explains how the body can produce its own endogenous opioids — natural pain-relieving chemicals that are far healthier for us than synthetic opioids found in pills. When our bodies create their own opiates, it changes the feedback loop of pain — reducing dependency, calming the nervous system, and supporting long-term healing.
I hope that one day massage therapy is mentioned more often in these conversations, because there’s so much clinical research showing how it directly affects nociceptors (pain receptors), and naturally boosts serotonin, dopamine, oxytocin, and those same endogenous opioids Dr. Gupta describes.
And to dream a little bigger…. Wouldn’t it be amazing if doctors and therapists could prescribe massage therapy more freely — and insurance actually covered it? I dream of that day💗🌀✨
🎧 Give this episode a listen — it’s hopeful, eye-opening, and deeply validating:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/40vySK0XxLDuo9rRhfbF32?si=3nAN3ShzRqCw67LozZeF7g&context=spotify%3Ashow%3A7vz4RYsD5MulTCrcH478t1
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