02/23/2026
I was honored to sit for this podcast interview recently with founder of the WOMAN initiative and dear friend, Jill Stalnaker.
In this episode my guest and longtime friend, Tara, and I explore the narrative many women know too well — long marriage, children, financial dependence, and the ground shifting beneath us through divorce.
Now a marriage and family counselor, Tara regularly gets an up-close look at the systems that surround families and how, for our purposes, they affect women - systems like the church, the family system, the legal system, and the broader system of culture and community.
These systems are powerful. They can change a crisis into a transition, despair into hope, and a barrier into an opportunity.
After listening to this episode, you might wonder how the systems around you have affected your life. Personally, I think many of the systems surrounding me need improvement. One of the ways I’m setting out to do just that is through this podcast.
If after listening to this episode you feel empowered to confront or support the systems around you that are or are not working, send it to another woman you care about. Women will change the world for women.
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/7nNLd5J8EyGkQRIHmjs8lr?si=b8qmH1xoSX6qulQiz9TMRg
Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tara-thinking-in-and-outside-the-systems-that-shape-women/id1838620441?i=1000750820180
